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		<title>Comment on If you were invisible by karina</title>
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		<dc:creator>karina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, we each have different ideas and ideals about privacy. Of the ones I've read so far, I tend to side with Bruce Schneier. I don't think that security is an excuse for people in positions of power to take away our rights. But I do still question our Western notion of privacy. Is our need to be private part of what allows the Institutions of Fear to prevail?

I watched &lt;a href="http://www.godgrewtiredofus.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;God Grew Tired of Us&lt;/a&gt; three days ago and this post on invisibility came back to me. The movie is about the "Lost Boys" of the Sudan: 25,000 kids (ages 3 to 13) who fled villages during civil war, traveled barefoot across the sub-Saharan desert, and formed a huge surrogate family in order to survive. Just a look at their camp allows you to conclude that what we think of as privacy doesn't operate there, and this is a positive trait of Dinka culture.

The documentary follows some of the "Boys" who are relocated to the US. In a NY Times interview, Christopher Quinn (the director) says, "The one thing that all of the guys who came to the United States were really surprised by — they ended up in this isolation that I don’t think they were prepared for. John’s roommate called me up one day about a month after they arrived. He was sitting in the apartment by himself, and he said, 'This is the very first time I’ve ever, ever been alone.' The most significant thing that I learned from Dinka culture is the importance, the real necessity, of family. Family not in the nuclear sense but family in this big sense, of you should always engage with your neighbors and make sure they’re O.K."

(John is one of the Lost Boys who went to the US and later returned to Africa to build a clinic.) "John told me that if somebody got sick in his village, 12 or 18 guys would carry them to the hospital, 75 miles away. Half would lock arms and carry the person, then they would rotate, so they could always keep running."

This tribal way of life echoes my thoughts when I said that, in the beginning, human societies had no walls, no closed doors or windows. We huddled close together for protection. Even now, we should be able to rely on our neighbors for security, not be afraid of one another. I remember a friend telling me that she was reluctant to walk around in her rich-people neighborhood, because she was sure that if she fell down and broke her leg, she could scream her lungs out and no one would come out of their homes to help. Cellphones have become walking companions. We feel terribly isolated, yet fear intrusion. I think that paranoia is also part of the Institutions of Fear that manipulate people into upholding systems that have consistently harmed lives across the planet.

This is why I thought that invisibility for the masses (not a cloak, more like an X-Men mutation and in the spirit of Damon Knight) could give us ground to knock down at least some of our fear of one another. But reading this thread, I realize it creeps people out more than it makes them curious to see what would happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, we each have different ideas and ideals about privacy. Of the ones I&#8217;ve read so far, I tend to side with Bruce Schneier. I don&#8217;t think that security is an excuse for people in positions of power to take away our rights. But I do still question our Western notion of privacy. Is our need to be private part of what allows the Institutions of Fear to prevail?</p>
<p>I watched <a href="http://www.godgrewtiredofus.com/" rel="nofollow">God Grew Tired of Us</a> three days ago and this post on invisibility came back to me. The movie is about the &#8220;Lost Boys&#8221; of the Sudan: 25,000 kids (ages 3 to 13) who fled villages during civil war, traveled barefoot across the sub-Saharan desert, and formed a huge surrogate family in order to survive. Just a look at their camp allows you to conclude that what we think of as privacy doesn&#8217;t operate there, and this is a positive trait of Dinka culture.</p>
<p>The documentary follows some of the &#8220;Boys&#8221; who are relocated to the US. In a NY Times interview, Christopher Quinn (the director) says, &#8220;The one thing that all of the guys who came to the United States were really surprised by — they ended up in this isolation that I don’t think they were prepared for. John’s roommate called me up one day about a month after they arrived. He was sitting in the apartment by himself, and he said, &#8216;This is the very first time I’ve ever, ever been alone.&#8217; The most significant thing that I learned from Dinka culture is the importance, the real necessity, of family. Family not in the nuclear sense but family in this big sense, of you should always engage with your neighbors and make sure they’re O.K.&#8221;</p>
<p>(John is one of the Lost Boys who went to the US and later returned to Africa to build a clinic.) &#8220;John told me that if somebody got sick in his village, 12 or 18 guys would carry them to the hospital, 75 miles away. Half would lock arms and carry the person, then they would rotate, so they could always keep running.&#8221;</p>
<p>This tribal way of life echoes my thoughts when I said that, in the beginning, human societies had no walls, no closed doors or windows. We huddled close together for protection. Even now, we should be able to rely on our neighbors for security, not be afraid of one another. I remember a friend telling me that she was reluctant to walk around in her rich-people neighborhood, because she was sure that if she fell down and broke her leg, she could scream her lungs out and no one would come out of their homes to help. Cellphones have become walking companions. We feel terribly isolated, yet fear intrusion. I think that paranoia is also part of the Institutions of Fear that manipulate people into upholding systems that have consistently harmed lives across the planet.</p>
<p>This is why I thought that invisibility for the masses (not a cloak, more like an X-Men mutation and in the spirit of Damon Knight) could give us ground to knock down at least some of our fear of one another. But reading this thread, I realize it creeps people out more than it makes them curious to see what would happen.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pale blue dot by Janine</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyeskridge.com/pale-blue-dot/#comment-6117</link>
		<dc:creator>Janine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love that man. As a science teacher, I can only hope to be a tenth as poetic and inspiring as he was. 

He was a truly gifted truth-teller, able to put things into perspective without making us feel bad and instead inspiring us to act as positive change-agents in the world.

"Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those general and emperors, so that in glory and triumph they could be the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot."
Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love that man. As a science teacher, I can only hope to be a tenth as poetic and inspiring as he was. </p>
<p>He was a truly gifted truth-teller, able to put things into perspective without making us feel bad and instead inspiring us to act as positive change-agents in the world.</p>
<p>&#8220;Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those general and emperors, so that in glory and triumph they could be the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot.&#8221;<br />
Wow.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If you were invisible by Kelley</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyeskridge.com/if-you-were-invisible/#comment-6116</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What interests me about all this is how varied definitions of privacy are.

When I was learning ASL, we had to do a project on semantics.  We picked several words that had resonance in Deaf culture and then conducted interviews with both deaf and hearing people about what those words meant to them -- not the dictionary definitions, but what they believed those words connoted, what emotional as well as literal meaning they carried.

And it was astonishing to find out how wide the differences were, not just between cultural groups but between individuals who seemed to have more in common.  

So, I think you and I have different ideas about what "private" means.  I'm not advocating for one idea or the other, just interested at how the differences play out.  I don't think that having sex in the store is "in private."  And so on some level we just don't agree on terms.  That's cool with me, it makes me think more carefully about my own definitions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What interests me about all this is how varied definitions of privacy are.</p>
<p>When I was learning ASL, we had to do a project on semantics.  We picked several words that had resonance in Deaf culture and then conducted interviews with both deaf and hearing people about what those words meant to them &#8212; not the dictionary definitions, but what they believed those words connoted, what emotional as well as literal meaning they carried.</p>
<p>And it was astonishing to find out how wide the differences were, not just between cultural groups but between individuals who seemed to have more in common.  </p>
<p>So, I think you and I have different ideas about what &#8220;private&#8221; means.  I&#8217;m not advocating for one idea or the other, just interested at how the differences play out.  I don&#8217;t think that having sex in the store is &#8220;in private.&#8221;  And so on some level we just don&#8217;t agree on terms.  That&#8217;s cool with me, it makes me think more carefully about my own definitions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If you were invisible by Duncan</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyeskridge.com/if-you-were-invisible/#comment-6113</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that link, Kelley.  I don't think that the conversation there adds much to what we've all been saying here, though.  There seems to be a lot of confusion there as to what "privacy" is, as shown by this (presumably rhetorical) question from one commenter, "Does someone having sex in the back corner of a public department store deserve the privileges of privacy?"  Is privacy a "privilege," or as others were saying, a "right"?  I don't think it's either one, really.  To answer that commenter's question, someone having sex in the back corner of a department store *is* having sex in "private", just like someone having sex in their room in a public hotel.  And a department store is a private place, as you'll find if you try to hand out political leaflets there without permission.  I'm thinking about registering at Wheaton's site and putting in my 2 cents' worth.

About the beach thing, I agree with what you say, but I think it's more interesting to turn it around, as I did: not "should I wear less than the natives wear?" but "can I force the natives to wear as much as I do?"   That's why I put it in terms of someone from a 'conservative' country being scandalized at an American beach.  Someone might feel that his "privacy" was being invaded by all these immodest women running around showing skin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that link, Kelley.  I don&#8217;t think that the conversation there adds much to what we&#8217;ve all been saying here, though.  There seems to be a lot of confusion there as to what &#8220;privacy&#8221; is, as shown by this (presumably rhetorical) question from one commenter, &#8220;Does someone having sex in the back corner of a public department store deserve the privileges of privacy?&#8221;  Is privacy a &#8220;privilege,&#8221; or as others were saying, a &#8220;right&#8221;?  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s either one, really.  To answer that commenter&#8217;s question, someone having sex in the back corner of a department store *is* having sex in &#8220;private&#8221;, just like someone having sex in their room in a public hotel.  And a department store is a private place, as you&#8217;ll find if you try to hand out political leaflets there without permission.  I&#8217;m thinking about registering at Wheaton&#8217;s site and putting in my 2 cents&#8217; worth.</p>
<p>About the beach thing, I agree with what you say, but I think it&#8217;s more interesting to turn it around, as I did: not &#8220;should I wear less than the natives wear?&#8221; but &#8220;can I force the natives to wear as much as I do?&#8221;   That&#8217;s why I put it in terms of someone from a &#8216;conservative&#8217; country being scandalized at an American beach.  Someone might feel that his &#8220;privacy&#8221; was being invaded by all these immodest women running around showing skin.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If you were invisible by Kelley</title>
		<link>http://www.kelleyeskridge.com/if-you-were-invisible/#comment-6111</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This conversation may be coming to its natural end, but I just came across &lt;a href="http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2008/08/privacy-is-a-fu.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this post and conversation&lt;/a&gt; at Wil Wheaton's blog.  I've linked to his commentary rather than the original essay (he provides a link to the original) because I think the comments conversation at his place is more interesting.

This post is about privacy, but since that's come up here a few times, I thought some of you might find it interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This conversation may be coming to its natural end, but I just came across <a href="http://wilwheaton.typepad.com/wwdnbackup/2008/08/privacy-is-a-fu.html" rel="nofollow">this post and conversation</a> at Wil Wheaton&#8217;s blog.  I&#8217;ve linked to his commentary rather than the original essay (he provides a link to the original) because I think the comments conversation at his place is more interesting.</p>
<p>This post is about privacy, but since that&#8217;s come up here a few times, I thought some of you might find it interesting.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Low Spark by rhbee1</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhbee1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 05:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTB, is anyone in this meme watching Weeds?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTB, is anyone in this meme watching Weeds?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Low Spark by rhbee1</title>
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		<dc:creator>rhbee1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 01:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that finding out the way with the drugs created a way to find it without.  They loosened up my head.  Taught me that experimenting with ideas and playing with realities were good things to do.  Dance, shooting hoops, riding my bike out and away from the crowd, and writing are my now natural ways to find those druggie spaces.  Of course, there are still times when my friends can't understand what is so funny and they look at my like I am on . . .

Meanwhile, Duffy, you and I were hanging with the same sorts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that finding out the way with the drugs created a way to find it without.  They loosened up my head.  Taught me that experimenting with ideas and playing with realities were good things to do.  Dance, shooting hoops, riding my bike out and away from the crowd, and writing are my now natural ways to find those druggie spaces.  Of course, there are still times when my friends can&#8217;t understand what is so funny and they look at my like I am on . . .</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Duffy, you and I were hanging with the same sorts.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pale blue dot by Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've never seen Cosmos, except for a few clips like the one above, partly because by the time it aired I'd stopped watching TV almost entirely.   I have the companion book, but have not read much of it, though I have read Broca's Brain, The Dragons of Eden, and The Demon-Haunted World.  Since I read a lot of science writing, Sagan had little that was new to tell me, and from the clips I've seen I'm immune to his charisma, but on the whole I respect him.

There was one memorable time I happened to see him on TV, though -- he was on the panel of experts who discussed the TV movie "The Day After" after it aired in 1983.   For those who don't remember it, "The Day After" depicted the effects of nuclear war in a small city in Kansas.  It was very controversial, denounced by right-wingers because showing how such a war would affect *us* would sap our will to fight the Evil Empire.  Or something.   So the network (ABC?) had to provide balance, which it did by airing a clip of Secretary of State George Schulz denouncing the movie from the White House, but looking rather green around the gills.  On the panel, besides Sagan there were, I believe, General Brent Scowcroft, William F. Buckley, and I *think* Henry Kissinger.  What impressed me was that Sagan was the only participant who wasn't green around the gills and sweating nervously.  He cheerfully and effectively rebutted the politicos.  Wikipedia at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After confirms that Buckley and Sagan faced off but doesn't mention anyone else, and I'm sure there were others.  But it was 25 years ago.  Anyway, Sagan thoroughly impressed me that night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never seen Cosmos, except for a few clips like the one above, partly because by the time it aired I&#8217;d stopped watching TV almost entirely.   I have the companion book, but have not read much of it, though I have read Broca&#8217;s Brain, The Dragons of Eden, and The Demon-Haunted World.  Since I read a lot of science writing, Sagan had little that was new to tell me, and from the clips I&#8217;ve seen I&#8217;m immune to his charisma, but on the whole I respect him.</p>
<p>There was one memorable time I happened to see him on TV, though &#8212; he was on the panel of experts who discussed the TV movie &#8220;The Day After&#8221; after it aired in 1983.   For those who don&#8217;t remember it, &#8220;The Day After&#8221; depicted the effects of nuclear war in a small city in Kansas.  It was very controversial, denounced by right-wingers because showing how such a war would affect *us* would sap our will to fight the Evil Empire.  Or something.   So the network (ABC?) had to provide balance, which it did by airing a clip of Secretary of State George Schulz denouncing the movie from the White House, but looking rather green around the gills.  On the panel, besides Sagan there were, I believe, General Brent Scowcroft, William F. Buckley, and I *think* Henry Kissinger.  What impressed me was that Sagan was the only participant who wasn&#8217;t green around the gills and sweating nervously.  He cheerfully and effectively rebutted the politicos.  Wikipedia at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After</a> confirms that Buckley and Sagan faced off but doesn&#8217;t mention anyone else, and I&#8217;m sure there were others.  But it was 25 years ago.  Anyway, Sagan thoroughly impressed me that night.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pale blue dot by Kelley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you like it.  The DVDs of the &lt;em&gt;Cosmos&lt;/em&gt; series are well worth the trouble to find, if you've not seen it.  You get something extraordinary like this about every 10 minutes or so...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you like it.  The DVDs of the <em>Cosmos</em> series are well worth the trouble to find, if you&#8217;ve not seen it.  You get something extraordinary like this about every 10 minutes or so&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Pale blue dot by J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's awesome. Never seen it before. It's like therapy. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s awesome. Never seen it before. It&#8217;s like therapy. Thanks.</p>
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